
Oh, the places I’ve been!

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9 responses to “Oh, the places I’ve been!”
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The Anglican church can be a refuge because of it’s rich liturgy which is nothing more then Holy Scripture set to music which is deep, powerful, rich, moving, (not the happy clappy type) The historical prayers of the church also help as they are also rooted in the Scriptures. Also a parish which follows the Historic Church year has a sense of rythem to it – you will know the particular themes and Scripture texts as you move from season to season.
May I also suggest that you and Bill pray the Psalms – they are prayers writen from the heart AND because they are inspired by the Holy Ghost they become the answers to our prayers.
Your journey – although not yet complete -will be fulfilled when the Savior takes you by the hand and takes you from the kingdom grace – to the kingdom of glory. Until then stay close to Him as He speaks to you through His Word, and His Sacraments.
To be wrestling means that you are alive, growing. It is through the cross and suffering that we mature in our faith.
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Michelle,
Help me to understand what “safe” means. As a pastor I’m always trying to discover why people find their way in and what makes them decide to slip out the back door. Is “safe” a feeling, something you can measure or both (or neither)?
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Hey Eric!
Great question. I think “safe” is an affective word (vs. a cognitive response); thus, it isn’t something quanitifiable.
What it means for me in the context of a church includes:
– a culture of outrageous hospitality, not just friendliness to one’s friends, not “clique-y”.
– a healthy process of dealing with conflict, rather than tarring and feathering opponents
– a healthy process of dealing with sin in the camp, versus the usual methods of either sweeping it under the rug or isolating the person without any real means of authentic restoration
– sermons not based on human agendas, such as “a twelve week series on tithing” or “a look at our proposed gymnasium addition through the eyes of Nehemiah”
– a committment to the poor and the outsider, not as projects, but because these individuals are loved by God and the church
– varied kinds of evangelism and service
– connection and cooperation with other churches, not just we, ourselves and us in our own little congregation
– a culture of prayer, worship and healing, not just singing songs and making lists of prayer requests, but active interaction with the living God
– did I mention hospitality? That comes at the top and bottom of the list for me.What would you add to the list? What would you subtract or change?
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Anonymous – thank you for your encouragement and kind words.
And for your suggestion to pray the psalms.
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Michelle,
I’m going to chew on that one for a while. I’m now not so wrestling with “what” as much as “how.”
Let me throw another question out there. You know the old saying “if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.” How does a person/family know when to be part of the solution and when to get themselves into a healthier situation?
I’m not sure I’m getting at my question really well. We’ve had people come and go because they didn’t “fit” well. While I’ve honored that, I’ve often thought about the possibility of finding the perfect fit. I tend to think as part of the body we are somewhat responsible for making the perfect fit, not just for ourselves but for the rest of the body, and for future members of the body.
Anyway, I hope this isn’t a ramble. I appreciate you bringing up the subject, even though you may be adding to my insomnia.
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Michelle, Eric,
I believe any discussion on being church where a parish needs to focus begins with Luke’s description of the 1st Century Church in Acts 2:42…This side of Eden we will not reach perfection but it’s a start. The Church was one in four specific areas of mission and ministry…
“The Apostles Doctrine” Being one in unity and faith. Basing our lives on God’s Holy Word as He speaks clearly to us through that Word.
“Fellowship” Being one in the Lord Jesus Christ. Experiencing true joy in Christ. Living at peace with each other and enjoying one another.
“The Breaking of Bread” Sacramental living. Experiencing daily the forgiveness of sins, life and salvation as Christ comes to us in and through the Sacraments.
“Prayer” Upholding one another. Taking our needs burdens joys and sorrows to the throne room of grace. Being thankful as the Savior answers each petition.
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Anonymous – great list; Acts 2:42 is a favorite passage to to describe the role of the church and orient my thinking in an often-disorienting church landscape.
Eric – I’ve heard it said that those who don’t stick around at your church are doing you as a pastor a favor: if they’re unhappy, they’ll cause trouble. There are times this is true, of course, but I think it is a broad paintbrush some church leaders use to ever-so-slightly dehumanize these folks. I believe that if these people are a part of the church universal, God might be using at least some of their comings and goings to communicate something (a diagnostic, perhaps?) to the local church they’re leaving. In your case, it may be possible to ask some of these leavers in one-on-one conversations why they’ve left.
Enroth’s Churches That Abuse gives some exteme examples of when its time to leave a church. And the most recent CT has a pretty provocative article in defense of church consumerism on the other extreme. The question filled at least a chapter in my (yet unreleased) book entitled The Church For Skeptics: A Conversation For Thinking People. (Let me know if you want to have a look; I’d be glad to send you the chapter.)
Great conversation, you guys!
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Michelle…I’m not sure your characterization of the pastor who fled actually captured reality of the situation. I think you failed to capture the seeking, praying, fasting, testing that the pastor experienced in the process.
And as much as “big box” serves an author well…I’m not sure it captures the essence of a growing community of people who are seeking to follow Christ in obedience.
It just felt a little bit like friendly fire…maybe it wasn’t intended to be, but that’s how it felt.
Peace,
Matt
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Hey Matt – The focus of this post was on the idea of pilgrims vs. refugees, not the pastor’s decision to leave. Most pastors I’ve known, including the guy mentioned in the post, wrestle deeply with vocational/employment decisions. No maliciousness intended.
As for my use of “Big Box” – the phrase captures the scope and physicality of a mega church for me. I’ll always remember driving my kids to a rare visit to Woodfield. As we passed by Willow Creek’s South Barrington complex, one of them asked excitedly if that was the mall.
One thing our refugee life has taught me afresh is that the body of Christ is far larger, far more mega in scope and diversity, than any single expression of church. That’s a good thing.
Thanks for your comments! Blessings on your new year – see you soon —
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